Do not Waste Time Arguing Trinity-doctrine with Denominational Christians

Some people have nice analogies about the relationship between God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. One of these analogies is "your father is also grandfather to your children, and also husband to his wife... so he is three men and has three titles, but is one..." Other analogies are similar to this one.

For me, I simply avoid (not always successfully) using hot-button words. Most people in denominations don't realize the great majority of their teachings are actually denominational doctrines. They are likely to never acknowledge that the high leadership (whom they have never met) are actually satanists. Yes, those "wolves in sheep's clothing" have crept in unaware. The goals of such wolves are to divide and destroy. By front-loading certain denominations to use the word "trinity" and other denominations to loathe that same word, a point of division is created. There is a split in the branch and this word is a wedge. To drive the hammer to the wedge, you need only use that term in front of someone who has been told the word is unequivocally incorrect. Other words can have the same effect: Tongues, prophecy, 5-fold ministry, G-12, and others similarly have dedicated proponents and also hard-core detractors.

In some of these cases, both sides, not just one, is out of alignment with the Bible.

If you use the wrong word in front of one of these, it activates a shut-down sequence in accordance with the plans of their masters and owners.

I was once talking to a woman I met at the local pool. In the midst of sharing testimonies, she suddenly went stiff and said quickly, in a different tone, "You're not one of those people who believe in the trinity, are you?!?" I had not said anything about the trinity or anything about the relationship of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We were talking about how Israel is the fig tree in scripture. Her sudden outburst and the removal of color from her face resulted from her suddenly recalling an anti-trinity doctrine. Previously, she had held the trinity position. A few months previous, she changed churches and received new doctrine. This happens to people who do not study the scriptures.

Just ignore the argument. Instead, just quote the Bible. The Holy Spirit once told me, "Your words don't set people free, My Word sets people free." Arguing with them using the words of men (denominational doctrines) does not help anyone. Reading scriptures helps them. Even the groups which are strongly at odds when it comes to denominational jargon, when it comes to scriptures, they agree!

Scriptures about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit

Daniel chapter 2:

34: Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

44-45: And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

This rock not cut by human hands is Jesus. The mountain is God. The kingdom of Dan 2:44 is the Kingdom Jesus sets up on earth at the end of Revelation.

So, Jesus is a part of God, separate, but also still God.

John 10:30 “I and My Father are one.”

John 14:9 “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father”

John 14:28 “Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I”

John 14:10 “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

So, in 14:10, we see that the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is in the Father. How does that work? Can someone draw a diagram? What will that look like? It might be represented as an infinite series of concentric circles, alternately labeled Jesus-Father-Jesus-Father-Jesus… and so on, to infinity.

It is hard to explain, but they are one, and they are also separate! The idea is to just stick to what the Bible says, and avoid those sensitive words that activate others’ sensitivities.

The Holy Spirit gets more complex. But, ultimately the conclusion is the same: the Holy Spirit is one with Jesus and with the Father, but also separate.

I don’t care for all the special words different denominations use to key-word their teachings. I have seen Christians (many, many times!) arguing in threads on YT videos- and both are saying the same exact thing! Because they have the different special teaching words of their local regions and denominations, they think the other is saying something different. Each of them, being sufficiently indoctrinated, is only capable or repeating what the pastors say. Each of the two arguers keeps repeating their denominational teaching, using their personal key words, and each fails to realize the other is actually agreeing with them in words they don’t know.

Use what the Bible says. Problem solved.